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From: Jim Propp <propp@math.mit.edu>
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Doron,

>Dear Jim, I enjoyed your talk. 

Thanks.

>Could you please send me
>any determinants that evaluate nicely that you can't do
>yet?

Well, the ones that arise in the tilings problem are huge
matrices of 1's, -1's, and 0's whose entries I have no 
explicit recipe for (though writing down such recipes
wouldn't be hard); I rely on the computer to turn pictures 
into adjacency matrices M and then to change the signs of
strategically chosen entries so that the permanent of M
equals the determinant of the new matrix K.

But here is a determinant that did grow out of some work
Greg and I did on tilings back in 1990:

It appears that the determinant of the (n+1)-by-(n+1) matrix 
(indexed by i,j running from 0 to n) whose (i,j)th entry is

		 (i+j)! (2n-i-j)!
		------------------- 
		i! j! (n-i)! (n-j)!

is equal to

	       n     n-1       n-2          1
	 (2n+1)  (2n)    (2n-1)    ... (n+2)
	--------------------------------------   .
	        1      2      3        n
	     (n)  (n-1)  (n-2)  ... (1)

This formula works up to n=9.  More generally, if one lets M denote
the (m+1)-by-(n+1) matrix whose (i,j)th entry is

		 (i+j)! (m+n-i-j)!
		------------------- 
		i! j! (m-i)! (n-j)!

then the determinant of M-transpose times M appears to be

		          2n+2
		[(m+n+1)!]     H(m-n)
		---------------------  ,
  		   H(2n+2) H(m+n+2)

where H(n) = 1!2!...(n-1)!.

Greg has shown that the formula has a nice q-analogue, though he hasn't 
nailed down the exact form of the right hand side, as far as I know.

I should mention that we do not need this conjecture for anything.  In
fact, these matrices have no combinatorial interpretation that I know
of --- though they resemble certain matrices that did arise from some
applications (which at this point I have forgotten).

Jim


