From: gale@math.berkeley.edu Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:53 AM To: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl Cc: xysun@euclid.math.temple.edu; zeilberg@math.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: chomp What a charming argument, and rather surprising. Most Chomp proofs are by induction, which was what I was attempting (e.g. If q > 1 then f(q,r) - q <= r). On another matter, do you know a nice proof that f(q,r) - q is eventually periodic? The proofs I have seen are rather cumbersome. David At 05:09 AM 10/13/02 +0200, you wrote: > > though perhaps there is an easy proof. > >Yes, there is. > >When I talk about rows and columns, I am thinking >of the picture with q horizontally, r vertically, >f(q,r) as entries. > >Suppose f(q,q) is not the largest in that column, >but f(q,r) with r < q is the largest. >Then why is none of the numbers f(q,s) (r+1 <= s <= q) >at the position (q,r)? > >The column (q,*) contains q+1 different numbers f(q,r), >all positive integers, so f(q,r) > q. >It follows that f(q,r) is the smallest element that does >not occur earlier in the same row or column. >Since the numbers f(q,s) are not at the (q,r) position, >it follows that they all occur earlier in row (*,r), >but not at (t,r) with t >= r since above the diagonal >verticals are constant. >So, they all occur at (t,r) with r+1 <= t <= q-1. >But there are more numbers s than positions t, >contradiction. > >So, indeed, f(q,q) is the largest in its column. > >Best regards, >Andries Brouwer